AK / Mig streaks & washes help needed!!!

[phikoleoputra]

Hi all,

First of all Happy New Year to you all and hope this 2017 will be better than last year for us all

I currently build this old Revell Trawler kit and want to experiment with washes and streaks, I painted the thing woth ENAMEL and gloss coat it with Alclad Gloss Klear Kote, left it over night.

Then this morning I try to use the streaks, then used their AK WHITE SPIRIT to soften the streaks, but my base paint comes of when i brushed it with the WHite Spirit.

Am I doing it wrong? What the heck happened, so now it is weathering gone bad. So sad and gutted with myself. Help needed.

Thanks

 

[col68]

Hi Leo
It looks as though you haven't let the varnish cure for long enough I normally apply two coats over a 48 hours then wait another 48 hours before I start weathering
Hope this helps

 

[Polux]

I'm with Colinn on that!

You can try to add a new acrylic varnish (like Vallejo one), then you will have no problem to use the white spirit over there.

 

[dubster72]

Colin & Polux are spot on Leo. I use enamels all the time & seal them with an acrylic finish. But like Colin I leave at least 48 hours for that to cure.
Patience is the watchword

 

[phikoleoputra]

Colin & Polux are spot on Leo. I use enamels all the time & seal them with an acrylic finish. But like Colin I leave at least 48 hours for that to cure.
Patience is the watchword

But it works also with the Alclad I used right guys?

 

[dubster72]

But it works also with the Alclad I used right guys?

Alclad Gloss Klear Kote (god, I detest American spelling!) is a mineral spirit based product & so isn't going to add the protection you need.

A general rule of thumb is to alternate between oil-based & acrylic products with each coat so they don't interact. But leaving plenty of time between each is (IMHO) quite necessary so each coat is cured, rather than just dry.

 

[col68]

But it works also with the Alclad I used right guys?

Not sure about that mate alcad is lacquer based.
I know some people use it with enamel washes.
I'm reluctant as I think the white spirit in it may reactivate the lacquer.

 

[rickoshea52]

Hi Leo,

I checked the labels on my bottles of Mig washes (I'm not sure what brand you are using) and they clearly say to use them over an acrylic paint/varnish which pretty much aligns with the comments made by other posters.

We have a saying in the aviation world - RTFM...I think you just learned a lesson the hard way Leo.

 

[dubster72]

I think the problem is that Alclad make both oil-based & acrylic gloss varnishes.

The Gloss Klear Kote that Leo has used is oil-based. Alclad Aqua Gloss is acrylic. That would have been the better choice to use.

 

[phikoleoputra]

Guess I'll stick with Mr. Hobby Lacquer gloss coat then just to be safe.

I think the problem is that Alclad make both oil-based & acrylic gloss varnishes.

The Gloss Klear Kote that Leo has used is oil-based. Alclad Aqua Gloss is acrylic. That would have been the better choice to use.

Yep I just smelled the Alclad, it it smells like zippo lighter fluid.

Thanks for the help folks, I'm gonna use the old hard smelly Mr. Hobby Lacquer again like usual then.

 

[BarryW]

I have to agree with an acrylic varnish before using enamel washes. I use Alclad Aqua Gloss sprayed at a low psi, a second coat not less than 5 hours later and then left at least 24 hours to cure. The curing time can vary depending on humidity so what others say about leaving it 48 hours is sensible.