A Brace of carriers

[Peter Gillson]

Hi guys

i'm continuing to finish off a number of projects - setting mh target of not starting my ESC cavalry charge has realy had the effect of focussing me on completing these started-but-not-finished projects. This thread contains two universal carriers I started a while ago. The first if the Riich mortar carrier:




The second is also a Riich carrier, yhis time with the Black Dog equipment load. The Black dog set is reasly good, but designed for the Tamiya carrier so a little surgery and filling is needed to get it to fit the Riich kit - hence the bandage netting, which hides a number of sins!!!


The eagle eyed will notice a number of parts not fitted yet - they will be as the painting progresses, which brings me to a cry for help:

which Tamiya colour is best for a British afv circa 1944/45?

Peter

 

[Jakko]

which Tamiya colour is best for a British afv circa 1944/45?

Straight from the bottle? None. A Universal Carrier at that time would be either SCC 2 (brown) if it hadn’t been recently repainted, or SCC 15 (olive drab) if it had. By 1945, you can expect the latter but you can certainly defend painting it in the former.

The authority on the subject is Mike Starmer:

British Vehicle Camouflage, 1939-45

British AFV Camouflage, 1939-45 Version 2.6 August 2001: AMENDED 30th APRIL 2019 by Michael Starmer. Mike Starmer and Mike Cooper Please delete previous versions. This summary is intended to …

mafva.co.uk

His Tamiya mixes for those colours are:

• SCC 2: 5 parts XF68 + 4 parts XF3 + 1 part XF1
• SCC 15: 5 parts XF81 + 1 part XF58 + 1 part XF71

 

[Mini Me]

I don't have any recommendations for paint Peter but those two are looking the bomb......glad you posted 'em up.

 

[Peter Gillson]

Straight from the bottle? None. A Universal Carrier at that time would be either SCC 2 (brown) if it hadn’t been recently repainted, or SCC 15 (olive drab) if it had. By 1945, you can expect the latter but you can certainly defend painting it in the former.

The authority on the subject is Mike Starmer:

British Vehicle Camouflage, 1939-45

British AFV Camouflage, 1939-45 Version 2.6 August 2001: AMENDED 30th APRIL 2019 by Michael Starmer. Mike Starmer and Mike Cooper Please delete previous versions. This summary is intended to …

mafva.co.uk

His Tamiya mixes for those colours are:

• SCC 2: 5 parts XF68 + 4 parts XF3 + 1 part XF1
• SCC 15: 5 parts XF81 + 1 part XF58 + 1 part XF71

Jakko

thanks for the link, typical that there are loads of sets of German afv colours, but none for british and they have to be mixed!

Peter

 

[Jakko]

And even the British paints you can can get from different brands each have problems. Don’t buy MIG SCC 15, for example, it’s more like a medium green than OD, and their SCC 2 looks too light to me. I also have SCC 2 from AK (the water-based one, not the lacquer) and it looks closer to the real colour (based on the paint swatches in Mike Starmer’s books) to me than the MIG one does.

For SCC15, if you want to represent a fairly recently painted vehicle and especially if you’re going to weather the model on top of that, then you can probably just take a good American OD paint. SCC 15 was intended to be the same colour as that, but differed slightly in practice. This got worse when the paint aged, with SCC 15 turning more green while American OD turned more brown.

 

[Scratchbuilder]

Peter, I would go with Jakko's tips. I had to mix up SCC 15 and it is a brownish/olive drab shade that I used on my Comet, but when sprayed it came out as more olive than brown. Just checked the bottle now and yes! it still looks brown in the bottle....
So go with a near colour and the wash will tone it down along with the weathering.
Nice work on the Carriers by the way...
Mike

 

[Peter Gillson]

I have a couple of empty Tamiya jars so I think I will make up a full jar of Jakko's formula so I only have to do it once - I do have a few more carriers kits to start at some point so it will be nice to have the paint already mixed.


off to the model shop tomorrow to get the Tamiya paints.

Peter

 

[Jakko]

What I did when I needed SCC 15 for the Grant CDL I built not too long ago, was pour all of a 10 ml bottle of XF-81 into a washed-out 23 ml bottle, then add 2 ml of the other two colours.¹ However, this turned too light, really, because you can’t actually get all of the contents out of the smaller bottle so I proportionally added a little too much of the other two.

¹ Quick tip: first measure out 10 ml of water, put it into the empty 23 ml bottle, and put a piece of tape on the outside to mark the level. Then add another 2 ml and put a second piece of tape, and repeat with 2 ml more. Pour out the water, dry the bottle, and put in the paint to the levels marked by the tape.

 

[Peter Gillson]

Jakko

good tip re marking the outside with tape.

Peter