This is seriously making me want one.
Great work Barry
Ian M
Great work Barry
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Barry thats great stuff,getting all those seams filled in with little colateral damage to the surrounding fine detail ! Nicely done Sir!
Hi Barry
Been away for a while (decorating) and I'm just catching up with the builds.
Fabulous work on the big Tiffy - the cockpit does indeed look the dog's doodahs! This build is really making me want to start my Typhoon now (but this won't be started until at least the summer now). Your build log will prove really useful and thanks for the heads up on the fit issues etc. You've tackled these issues really well and I'm really looking forward to seeing this excellent model finished.
All the best
Paul
Been away for a while (decorating) and I'm just catching up with the builds.
Fabulous work on the big Tiffy - the cockpit does indeed look the dog's doodahs! This build is really making me want to start my Typhoon now (but this won't be started until at least the summer now). Your build log will prove really useful and thanks for the heads up on the fit issues etc. You've tackled these issues really well and I'm really looking forward to seeing this excellent model finished.
All the best
Paul
Thanks everyone. Made a bit more progress
I was surprised to find that the cockpit side panels are a poor fit and that can only be down to Airfix. I had to cement in sections with starting tight into one corner making sure it was flush, then when dry cementing into the other corner and when that was dry apply pressure to bring the top into position to cement flush in place.
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At one point I used cellotape to hold it in place as show because I needed its strength but cellotape and cement do not mix therefore I kept the two well apart!!
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There is a bit of a gap that will need a smear of putty. Again I don't think sanding will be needed just the cotton bud dipped in ipa.
Some shots of the inside with one wall on before I cement the other in place
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According the instructions as below I am supposed to fit a piece before attaching the other wall. It looks easy, it is not!!! After a lot of fiddling and trial I decided I can fit it after the other sidewall is on through the top.
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So here it is with the other sidewall fitted. Again it was a poor fit and I had to decide where to have the gap. I close the bottom as again a smear of filler and an ipa clean up should suffice.
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As you can see it will still have some clean up between the panels to do.
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That is it for now
Worth adding that the dirt on the footrests in the cockpit is AKI european Earth pigment. I also used some dust effects wash. Together they look very effective to the naked eye.
I was surprised to find that the cockpit side panels are a poor fit and that can only be down to Airfix. I had to cement in sections with starting tight into one corner making sure it was flush, then when dry cementing into the other corner and when that was dry apply pressure to bring the top into position to cement flush in place.
View attachment 98737
At one point I used cellotape to hold it in place as show because I needed its strength but cellotape and cement do not mix therefore I kept the two well apart!!
View attachment 98738
There is a bit of a gap that will need a smear of putty. Again I don't think sanding will be needed just the cotton bud dipped in ipa.
Some shots of the inside with one wall on before I cement the other in place
View attachment 98739
View attachment 98740
According the instructions as below I am supposed to fit a piece before attaching the other wall. It looks easy, it is not!!! After a lot of fiddling and trial I decided I can fit it after the other sidewall is on through the top.
View attachment 98741
So here it is with the other sidewall fitted. Again it was a poor fit and I had to decide where to have the gap. I close the bottom as again a smear of filler and an ipa clean up should suffice.
View attachment 98742
As you can see it will still have some clean up between the panels to do.
View attachment 98743
That is it for now
Worth adding that the dirt on the footrests in the cockpit is AKI european Earth pigment. I also used some dust effects wash. Together they look very effective to the naked eye.
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The cockpit looks excellent Barry.
However, considering the hoo hah, and publicity this kit was receiving before release, I'm quite shocked at the poor fit, forcing far too much remedial work - which you are making a superb job of, so top marks to you for perseverance.
Considering the cost of the kit, I would have expected a far better quality model emerging from the box.
My comments are not a criticism of your excellent workmanship ( I'm sure the end result will be terrific ) just an observation of the far too much extra work that should really not have been necessary.
Ron
However, considering the hoo hah, and publicity this kit was receiving before release, I'm quite shocked at the poor fit, forcing far too much remedial work - which you are making a superb job of, so top marks to you for perseverance.
Considering the cost of the kit, I would have expected a far better quality model emerging from the box.
My comments are not a criticism of your excellent workmanship ( I'm sure the end result will be terrific ) just an observation of the far too much extra work that should really not have been necessary.
Ron
Ron - sometimes I have found kits that really fight you but this is not one of them... Despite the issues this kit really wants to get built and the problems are all minor in the scheme of things. Do not let anything I have said put you off one of these, it really is a joy.
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Barry I tend to agree with Ron after all the hype about this model you would expect a better fit I can see you have over come these problems but all the same I can see what appears to be a miss alinement at the front where the canopy will fit. Good luck with the rest of the build.
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I mentioned in another thread that I suspect that this soft plastic can have a tendency to shrink in the mold which would explain the fit issues and the 'dirty' sprues so to speak. With these large kits this matters more than with 1/72 or even 1/48 scale simply because of the size of the parts and more complex engineering.
Just caught up on this one Barry some very impressive work looking good
I have painted the area around the cockpit with Vallejo black primer to check the seams. This is because when I spray the main primer coat I will be masking the cockpit area with a spare canopy and need to deal with this first.
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As you can see I am now in the process of treating those seams along with a couple of others.
I have also been getting on with sub assemblies and once again some issues have arisen.
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Issues include some sinkage on the rockets
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And on the prop.
I finished some extensive sanding on the wheels to correct the fit issues. But then found another more unforgivable issue.
The main wheel axles looked as if they had some flash but it was rather more than flash it was some very poor quality molding. It made the axles way too big and I had to do some extensive sanding, not just a touch to ease the fit, a lot of surplus plastic had to be removed and the axles reduced quite significantly in size. I had great difficulty on getting pics of this on my iPhone and needed a better camera to do so but I think you can at least get an idea of the amount of sanding I had to do from this pic.
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It would be interesting to see if the others of you with this kit have the same issue and whether I just have a rogue kit.
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As you can see I am now in the process of treating those seams along with a couple of others.
I have also been getting on with sub assemblies and once again some issues have arisen.
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Issues include some sinkage on the rockets
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And on the prop.
I finished some extensive sanding on the wheels to correct the fit issues. But then found another more unforgivable issue.
The main wheel axles looked as if they had some flash but it was rather more than flash it was some very poor quality molding. It made the axles way too big and I had to do some extensive sanding, not just a touch to ease the fit, a lot of surplus plastic had to be removed and the axles reduced quite significantly in size. I had great difficulty on getting pics of this on my iPhone and needed a better camera to do so but I think you can at least get an idea of the amount of sanding I had to do from this pic.
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It would be interesting to see if the others of you with this kit have the same issue and whether I just have a rogue kit.
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Barry, yes, this last episode, along with the others is unforgivable....Due to it's relatively large size, I could half accept a wonky panel, but this undercarriage, rockets and prop. issue is totally unacceptable. O.K. on an early release, in the bag, 1/72 kit, but not a model of this scale and well reported so called quality.
Surely such a gross error as the axle stubs would have been spotted on the prototype and then corrected?
It's just not fair having payed serious money, to find it really seems to be an average kit.
If I had to go through what you are at the minute, a very strong email would be going off to Airfix............
Yes, it would be interesting to see if others have the same issue - I suspect they will.
I'm sure the end result will be right, but to fight it to get there is wrong.
Ron
Surely such a gross error as the axle stubs would have been spotted on the prototype and then corrected?
It's just not fair having payed serious money, to find it really seems to be an average kit.
If I had to go through what you are at the minute, a very strong email would be going off to Airfix............
Yes, it would be interesting to see if others have the same issue - I suspect they will.
I'm sure the end result will be right, but to fight it to get there is wrong.
Ron
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I think that part of the issue with sink marks it due to the thickness of the plastic. Typical places where you can observe this is in thicker parts, such as propeller blades. Even on a 1/48 scale and some 1/72 there is often a dimple where the part is thickest. Another typical area is location pins and moulded detail on the reverse.
As said plastics shrink as they harden off. Thicker the plastic the more it will shrink. Solid parts will always be affected by this. The only real solution from the manufacturing side is to either find another material that can be used, or stop making solid parts.... I feel the work involved on building prop blades out of two halves would be much worse than a smear of filler and a sanding stick.
In a kit like this, as Barry has pointed out the tolerances are +- a flies tadger. Sand just a tiny bit to much off some parts and it will bite you in the bum at some point. When all the parts fit so snugly, it will be almost impossible not to have a problem at some point or the other.
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As said plastics shrink as they harden off. Thicker the plastic the more it will shrink. Solid parts will always be affected by this. The only real solution from the manufacturing side is to either find another material that can be used, or stop making solid parts.... I feel the work involved on building prop blades out of two halves would be much worse than a smear of filler and a sanding stick.
In a kit like this, as Barry has pointed out the tolerances are +- a flies tadger. Sand just a tiny bit to much off some parts and it will bite you in the bum at some point. When all the parts fit so snugly, it will be almost impossible not to have a problem at some point or the other.
Ian M
It's coming on well. Visible progress is limited because I am at that stage of preparing for the primer.
Sub assemblies coming together.
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Masking is progressing. I nearly changed my original plan to mask the pit with a spare transparency due to how it sits on the plane but decided to go ahead anyway as using the product pictured I can remove and refit it and consequently can touch up with just a little localised masking.
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It really is starting to look like a Tiffy. I am using kitchen roll and Tamiya tape for masking plus the Gunze liquid mask as well as the canopy and will also eventually mask the main wheel wells with the otherwise unused 'wheels up' covers.
My aim is to get the first primer coat on by Saturday morning so it will have a good 48 hours to cure before I get another aession on Monday evening when I will be checking for blemishes and dealing with them.
Sub assemblies coming together.
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Masking is progressing. I nearly changed my original plan to mask the pit with a spare transparency due to how it sits on the plane but decided to go ahead anyway as using the product pictured I can remove and refit it and consequently can touch up with just a little localised masking.
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It really is starting to look like a Tiffy. I am using kitchen roll and Tamiya tape for masking plus the Gunze liquid mask as well as the canopy and will also eventually mask the main wheel wells with the otherwise unused 'wheels up' covers.
My aim is to get the first primer coat on by Saturday morning so it will have a good 48 hours to cure before I get another aession on Monday evening when I will be checking for blemishes and dealing with them.
A question....
Does anyone know how the rocket tails looked when they were plugged in?
I have been trawling through pics and cannot find a clear shot of this. You know me, I like to be different and most builds have the tails hanging so I want them shown plugged in, just before going on a mission. My plan is to scratch them with stretched sprue.
One thing I did notice, my decision to have the flaps up is vindicated by the photos..... I have drooped the ailerons a little though.
Does anyone know how the rocket tails looked when they were plugged in?
I have been trawling through pics and cannot find a clear shot of this. You know me, I like to be different and most builds have the tails hanging so I want them shown plugged in, just before going on a mission. My plan is to scratch them with stretched sprue.
One thing I did notice, my decision to have the flaps up is vindicated by the photos..... I have drooped the ailerons a little though.
Looking very much the part. One thing though if I may. Those ailerons, should they not be one up one down. If they are both down your pilot is going to have his work cut out rolling and banking...
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