Karls RAF Journey. Pt1. Airfix 1/72 Spitfire Mk.1a.

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Arylic laquers were used from the 50s to 70s, before that it was mostly enamel based paints,in the 80s they started using sovent based , colour and clearcoat as opposed to straight gloss colours, nowadays we're using waterbased colours with a high build solvent clearcoat which only requires a grip coat and one wet coat,the heat from an oven bake is needed to make it flow and level out properly.
 

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This place takes you down some wonderful byways……just been reading about automotive paint histories……might be interesting to some….

Prior to acrylic lacquer being used Nitrocellulose was the paint of choice for cars from the 1920’s to the 1950s Mark. However, it was not shiny when dry. Having a hand polished shine added used to cost extra, so things like industrial vehicles were usually left unpolished. In addition, both this paint and the subsequent acrylic lacquer used from the 1950’s to the 1970’s oxidised readily and could dull quite quickly if it wasn’t polished regularly to maintain the shine. This was why T cut was produced ;)

Prior to the 1920’s, the only paint available was basically hand mixed oil paint, which took weeks to dry. Henry Ford used black oil paint on the model T because it was the cheapest and fastest drying available. It wasn’t hard wearing and it was commonplace for owners to have their cars repainted annually.

After acrylic lacquer the original two pack paints were developed in the late 1970s. These were actually acrylic enamels. These were developed in conjunction with e-coat electrostatic waterborne enamel primers which are the single reason cars no longer rust.

In the 1990’s transition to water based acrylics occurred to reduce the environmental impact of the paint. This has further evolved in the 2000’s to speed up processing and reduce the amount of paint required without compromising the finish. In effect, modern cars are clear coated with an epoxy resin like material, so our cars are protected by araldite :smiling5:

To give this diatribe some usefulness to the modeller I would sum it up thus…..

Prior to 1920 vehicles should be satin finished at best, and would fade, chip, and flake very quickly. British Railway practice, for example, was to protect the paint with several coats of varnish and revarnish at regular intervals, usually annually for top line passenger locos and every two years for coaching stock and other locos. A full repaint would be carried out every ten years. Varnish coats darkened the finish, so stock would gradually darken between repaints. Freight stock would remain unvarnished and would only be repainted if repairs were needed, sometimes only the repair being repainted…..

From 1920’s to the 1950’s a satin finish would again be the best option for well cared for vehicles. Industrial stock would most likely be dull and after time would oxidise, fading the finish.

High gloss began to be seen from the 1950’s onwards, though rust and fading could still be prevalent up until the 1980’s for uncared for vehicles, when it largely disappeared.

Anything after the 1980’s would show decent shine even if uncared for. It’s just under the muck ;). Only scratches that disrupt the paint film would show rust…..

Cheers all….
 

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That is looking very good Karl. Stunning and unusual paint scheme. There is no doubt that lacquers spray well and lay down beautifully and I've heard nothing but good reports regarding those MRP paints.
 

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This place takes you down some wonderful byways……just been reading about automotive paint histories……might be interesting to some….
Funnily enough I've been reading a lot too, but I think the Scale Model Shop article sums it up best, basically there's waterbased, oil based and solvent based, forget the other labels.
So we've covered lighting and JPEG processing, and different paints I now wonder what will be next.
A good job I don't mind tangents.........in fact I quite like them.

As an aside is MRP did some high gloss 2-pak paints, but my chart says they're "probably" discontinued.
 

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That is looking very good Karl. Stunning and unusual paint scheme. There is no doubt that lacquers spray well and lay down beautifully and I've heard nothing but good reports regarding those MRP paints.

The black and white wings were for quick ID by the Observer Corps, a bit of a wall of text copy and pasted from an unidentified source coming your way.

During the mid to late 1930s, Britain was engaged in the task of building the world's first integrated air defence system. A means of detecting enemy aircraft at a distance in the form of what is today called radar was developed together with a command and control system to pass the information gathered by the radar to the fighters whilst in the air.

One of the many problems of integrating this system was how to distinguish between friendly fighters and enemy aircraft from the ground. This was necessary to allow them to be tracked over land by the Observer Corps. The early Chain Home radar transmitted its signals through 360 degrees. In order for the radar operators to distinguish the direction that the enemy were coming from the inland 180 degrees had to be blocked out electronically. The result of this was that there was no radar coverage inland and all the plotting information which was required for a successful interception, such as the location of the fighters in relation to the raiders once they had crossed the coast, had to be obtained visually, by the Observer Corps.

The solution to the problem of distinguishing friendly fighters visually from the ground was originally suggested by the Commander in Chief of Fighter Command, Hugh Dowding. In May 1937, Dowding wrote to the Air Ministry suggesting that the undersides of fighter aircraft should be painted in such a way as to make them easily identifiable from the ground. He suggested that the underside of one of the lower mainplanes should be finished in silver dope and the other in dull black. By this means, however the arrangement was likely to be viewed, it would always present a characteristic part coloured appearance to the observer. After some consideration by the Air Ministry it was decided that the idea should be tried out and permission for trials to begin was granted in July 1937.

During October 1937 Dowding wrote to the Air Ministry to inform them of the results obtained from the experiment. Whilst doing so, he suggested that with production of the Hurricane gathering pace, the undersides of the wings of these aircraft should be finished black on the port side and white on the starboard. He also suggested that to make the marking as clear as possible, the aircraft identification numbers should be omitted from the wing under surfaces.

The Air Ministry agreed that some Hurricanes could be finished in this way for the purpose of a large scale service trial and wrote to Dowding during December 1937 to inform him of the decision. As production of the Hurricane was well advanced by this time, it had not been found possible to apply the marking to early production aircraft, but it was to be instituted as soon as possible without delaying production.

The Air Ministry felt that it could not agree to the omission of the serial number from the under surfaces of the wings believing they should be retained as a deterrent to unauthorised low flying as they almost always allowed the offending aircraft and therefore pilot to be identified.

Hawkers were informed in a letter dated 8 January 1938 that it was desired that the under surface of the port wing was to be finished in black and the starboard wing white, with the flaps and ailerons included in this colour scheme. The identification numbers on the starboard (white) side of the aircraft were to remain as they were at present, but those on the port (black) side were to be applied in white to be visible against the black background. Because the Air Ministry had not made it absolutely clear whether the outer wings only were to be black and white or whether the dividing line between the two colours should be on the centreline of the centre section, a sketch showing only the outer panels of the wings finished in black and white was submitted to the Air Ministry in January 1938 for their approval along with a quoted price of £5. 0. 0d. for each aircraft to be finished in this manner. When the Air Ministry raised no objections, this was how the aircraft left the production line.

In March 1938, the Air Ministry wrote to Fighter Command informing them that the serial numbers of the Hurricanes earmarked for the new under surface colour scheme were 11576 - L1625 and delivery was expected to commence before the end of the month.
Once these aircraft began to go into service during early April 1938, Fighter Command expressed a wish that all Spitfires and Hurricanes should be finished in this manner. However in June 1938, Dowding complained that the Hurricanes which had been delivered by that time had not been properly painted as he wished the black and white colours to cover the largest possible surface and to meet on the centreline. The Hurricanes supplied thus far had not been painted on the fuselage at all, leaving a silver strip between the black and white which caused the colours to blend into one another when seen from a distance, destroying the contrast. He also suggested that the roundels on the under surfaces of home defence fighter aircraft were no longer necessary as the black and white finish would act as sufficient identification from below and the roundels only served to break up the clean expanse of black and white which was being relied upon for recognition.
The suggestion that roundels be removed from the under surfaces of Home Defence Fighter aircraft was considered by the Air Ministry, which concluded that there was no legal reason why this could not be done and in August 1938, the Director of Operations and Intelligence, wrote to Fighter Command to inform them of the decision. It was however stated that the roundels must continue to be used in the Field Force fighter squadrons.

Eventually Dowding’s nagging and complaining bore fruit and fighter aircraft were finished with the undersides painted black and white divided down the centre line of the fuselage. By the outbreak of war most anomalies had been corrected and the majority of fighter aircraft were painted in accordance to his wishes. This lasted until June 1940 when undersides were painted all over sky.

The actual colour used was not black, but Night. Night was not a true black as it contained Carbon Black and Ultramarine pigments. It was developed before the war as an anti-searchlight finish. The existing matt black paint used by the RAF contained only Carbon Black pigment which was too soft, the paint easily polishing to a glossy sheen. The Ultramarine was added to make the finish more durable, not to alter the colour.

On 6th June 1940 the Air Ministry sent Signal X915 which stated that all under surfaces of fighter aircraft were to be doped to Sky Type S. This was a new colour and supplies in quantity did not become available until the middle to end of August 1940. Other, similar, colours were substituted as well as self-mixed versions which resulted in a range of colour variations being seen. Which colours were used is often difficult to interpret from black and white photographs but there is archaeological evidence for individual aircraft that BBS 381 (1930) No1 Sky Blue and BSS 381 (1930) No 16 Eau de Nil were used as well as Sky Grey and an unidentified blue-grey colour. The S in type S means smooth. The rough finish of the original matt camouflage paints had been found to cause a loss of performance. Investigation founds that this was due to problems in application and not to the paint itself. In order to improve the finish of camouflage paints the RAE developed Type S paints. These simply had much finer ground pigments than found in normal paint. All camouflage colours were produced as Type S, not just Sky.


As the BoB was coming to an end a re-assessment was made by Fighter Command of its camouflage and markings in light of combat experience. There was a general consensus of opinion that favoured a return to the ‘black and white’ under surface finish. Fighter pilots had found it a useful means of immediately locating the position of friendly fighters above them. Although the black wing also identified RAF fighters to the enemy this slight disadvantage was accepted. The decision was taken to re-introduce the ‘black and white’ scheme throughout Fighter Command but because of the enormous amount of man hours involved in repainting it was agreed that painting the port wing black, leaving Sky on the rest of the under surfaces would suffice.

There is some indication that this measure was either seen at the time as being temporary or experimental or that there were reservations about it. The black (Night) paint specified for use was to DTD 441 standard. This was a matt finish distemper which could be applied by brush or spray. After drying at room temperature for two weeks it was to be readily removable with hot water leaving the surfaces uninjured.

After the ‘black’ port wing had been in use for several months signal A279 was sent by Fighter Command to the Air Ministry and all other Commands on 7th April 1941 notifying them that from dawn on 15th April (subsequently delayed until 22nd April) the ‘black’ marking would be removed from all port wing under sides of day fighters. The reason for the sudden change in policy is not known but may be due to the changing role of Fighter Command from a purely defensive force to a more aggressive one, undertaking mass formation ‘sweeps’ into enemy territory. In this context the black wing would have alerted ground observers as to the whereabouts of RAF fighters.

There were also other occurrences of painting the under surface of the port wing black as a temporary recognition feature. For example, Operation Spartan, Exercise Scorch.
 
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Err, so this was a bad idea......
Should of read some reviews first, it's just beaded up on the surface, praying to whoever that it levels but after reading a few posts online.......IMG_20221002_145911.jpg
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I didn't hit post reply on the above, but I tried another coat, it seemed to just stick to the existing coat, so with nothing left to lose I just wiped it all down with a thinners soaked cloth. Seems to have been an easy save after all.
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Good save Karl. I’ve had Klear do that but not Humbrol gloss.
 

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That was a lucky escape, if you ask me.
 

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Good save Karl. I’ve had Klear do that but not Humbrol gloss.
That was a lucky escape, if you ask me.
Not such a great escape, I've now got chalk like deposits.......IMG_20221002_193357.jpg
So have gone over it with a cotton bud soaked in air brush cleaner, (But not Mr Tool Cleaner.) It's stripped the paint in a couple of spots, and it feels tacky, but fingers crossed.
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Always like the black and white scheme, and this looks great.
 

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Another quick hour in the shed, possibly the last until the weekend as I have to work away so will be gone for two nights, then away for two weeks.....
Just some decaling tonight, and sighing at all the thumb prints left after cleaning off that varnish, don't think I'll do the stencilling because of that as it all you see if you get that close is the swirls in the paint.
Plus it's going to be an ornament in Khadens room as it is actually his kit. So will likely end up broken anyway......
Just the red gun port covers, the similar cover high on starboard side (Above the roundel.), if someone could shine a light on that I would appreciate it, and tail numbers to put it this point.
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Karl

Sorry, got behind on this. Sorry to hear about the gloss problems too.

All in all though it's turned out nicely. Don't be too hard on yourself. We've all had things go badly.

ATB.

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Hmmmm...
Must be something about Spitfires and Gloss varnish!!....
I had terrible trouble with my one for the recent GB,so much so that I had to respray and start over :sad:
It came good in the end though...
Just as yours has Karl :smiling3:
Looks fine to me!
 

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Hmmmm...
Must be something about Spitfires and Gloss varnish!!....
I had terrible trouble with my one for the recent GB,so much so that I had to respray and start over :sad:
It came good in the end though...
Just as yours has Karl :smiling3:
Looks fine to me!
My GB entry varnished gloss OK, but I couldn’t knock the shine off no matter what I used……Tamiya semi gloss, Tamiya matt, Rowney matt……..it stayed as shiny as the day the gloss went on…..
 

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I have an old bottle of Testors for such situations.
That’s what the Rowney matt was for….I even brushed it on…..kills everything stone dead usually……great on gaming figures over a gloss coat.
 

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Varnish. Yes, I've had some fun in the past. These days I'm using Alclad and it's working just fine for me. But anyway, the Spitfire looks great. nice job.
 
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