Giggle.\ said:I personally look at tigers and look at the churchills and say the churchills were better looking
I think you need glasses Alan!\ said:My take on the tiger and German armour in general , the Germans showed the world how to effectively use the tank and had the best tanks , better looking tanks , faster tanks , the whole caboose, but did they , at the start of the war believe it or not the best tank although admittedly one of the slowest was the Matilda it had thicker armour and could take out any German tank at close range with its 2pdr gun and it gave the Germans a bloody nose in Africa at first and it was Rommel who first used the 88mm AA gun against tanks as he got fed up of seeing his anti tank shells bounce of the Tilly ha this changed everything in tank warfare the Germans realised that a tank needed beefing up in power and in protection and we didn't realise or more acuratly we didn't have the economic clout to do it and we had a bunch of old duffers still thinking about trench warfare and using tanks in a support role instead of part of a main attack vehicle
The Germans added extra armour and refitted older tanks with bigger guns to keep ahead and either they realised the chassis of the panzer IV was so adaptable or it was built with this in mind they could easily refit their tanks , the tiger I came out around 43 but by now allied bombing was starting to take its toll on the Germans ability to produce large quantities and many tanks were rushed to be operational hence all the mechanical problems all their later tanks stuffed from this
The Germans may have had better tanks on paper but reliability and quantity wise they weren't
I personally look at tigers and look at the churchills and say the churchills were better looking
Hmm it's funny then that German tank production was higher in 1944 than at any time during the war!\ said:My take on the tiger and German armour in general , the Germans showed the world how to effectively use the tank and had the best tanks , better looking tanks , faster tanks , the whole caboose, but did they , at the start of the war believe it or not the best tank although admittedly one of the slowest was the Matilda it had thicker armour and could take out any German tank at close range with its 2pdr gun and it gave the Germans a bloody nose in Africa at first and it was Rommel who first used the 88mm AA gun against tanks as he got fed up of seeing his anti tank shells bounce of the Tilly ha this changed everything in tank warfare the Germans realised that a tank needed beefing up in power and in protection and we didn't realise or more acuratly we didn't have the economic clout to do it and we had a bunch of old duffers still thinking about trench warfare and using tanks in a support role instead of part of a main attack vehicle
The Germans added extra armour and refitted older tanks with bigger guns to keep ahead and either they realised the chassis of the panzer IV was so adaptable or it was built with this in mind they could easily refit their tanks , the tiger I came out around 43 but by now allied bombing was starting to take its toll on the Germans ability to produce large quantities and many tanks were rushed to be operational hence all the mechanical problems all their later tanks stuffed from this
The Germans may have had better tanks on paper but reliability and quantity wise they weren't
I personally look at tigers and look at the churchills and say the churchills were better looking
It wasn't the quantity I was referring to it was the quality , they were rushed out the door and then broke down\ said:Hmm it's funny then that German tank production was higher in 1944 than at any time during the war!
It wasn't bombing of industrial manufacturing that crippled the German war effort, but the decision in early '44 to target oil production.
This lead to a severe lack of fuel for training & operations which hit the Luftwaffe & armoured divisions the hardest.
No, that was because of a lack of fuel!\ said:It wasn't the quantity I was referring to it was the quality , they were rushed out the door and then broke down
Most king Tigers were abandoned not due to being knocked out but because they broke down
Kurt knispel would surely disagree about the quality of the king.\ said:It wasn't the quantity I was referring to it was the quality , they were rushed out the door and then broke down
Most king Tigers were abandoned not due to being knocked out but because they broke down
\ said:No, that was because of a lack of fuel!
The teething troubles that tanks like the Panther experienced were quickly put right.
Certain variants ( Jagdtiger springs to mind) were unreliable because they were unfit for purpose, but in the main German tanks performed as well as any other countries did.
Well if that's the case how can you explain why the first batch of king tigers delivered had to be destroyed to prevent capture due to them breaking down , they had loads of problems , gaskets , seals, drive train , all failed on them , sure this was sorted over time but my point stands as they were rushed out without proper testing , the drive train was for another tank not the KT if that's not down to lack of parts or rushing I don't know what is\ said:Kurt knispel would surely disagree about the quality of the king.
The Bovington Tiger apparently has been restored to running order. They say it has the original tiger engine.
The original Tigers were underpowered. The first versions were fitted with a Maybach V12 engine with a 21 litres capacity. This was later increased to 24 litres capacity in December 1943. The gearing made the Tiger easy to drive – the 8 forward gears could be used with a pre-selector.
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