How's your Aircraft Recognition?

[duncan]

Barry , you can find Americas answer to Biggles on http://home.att.net/~dannysoar4/BillBarnes.htm Try to get the home page too, lots of olde worlde free-fighters and modelling history,indoors and out. Fun nostalgia with a capital noss ! Look for Smilin` Jack`s "Flivver", an Arup for rubber power... half a styro pizza-tray and you`re there ! GWS power for scale indoor ? I`m still thinking about the probs with reccy feature. Five and a half thousand hits and only the Three Musketeers regularly contributing. I tried your suggestion but couldnt get it to work. Which #1 do we try it on , old #1 or new ? Maybe the "quiz" part is wrong,maybe viewers (the 5500) just want to see what we (Musketeers) dig up from the depths .. Maybe we could change to "look at this oddity,or beauty,engineering , dead-ends." instead of a quiz. :noidea: Imagine if we switched to guessing modern airliners, they are all pretty much alike.

 

[wonwinglo]

Barry ' date=' you can find Americas answer to Biggles on [url']http://home.att.net/~dannysoar4/BillBarnes.htm[/url] Try to get the home page too, lots of olde worlde free-fighters and modelling history,indoors and out. Fun nostalgia with a capital noss ! Look for Smilin` Jack`s "Flivver", an Arup for rubber power... half a styro pizza-tray and you`re there ! GWS power for scale indoor ? I`m still thinking about the probs with reccy feature. Five and a half thousand hits and only the Three Musketeers regularly contributing. I tried your suggestion but couldnt get it to work. Which #1 do we try it on , old #1 or new ? Maybe the "quiz" part is wrong,maybe viewers (the 5500) just want to see what we (Musketeers) dig up from the depths .. Maybe we could change to "look at this oddity,or beauty,engineering , dead-ends." instead of a quiz. :noidea: Imagine if we switched to guessing modern airliners, they are all pretty much alike.

*** Arups & Billy Barnes on one site,got to be worth a look ! yes odd about the hits thing on reccy but obviously a lot of people like oddball aeroplanes to look at so why change ? the edit facility thinking about it is probably only for owner/moderator use but it is no problem for me to add them as the time comes up from Kiwi & yourself Duncan.

Modern airliners are getting far too similar,the almost perfect airliner shape must be very near as they all look the same,someone once described them as aluminium tubes with wings.

I dont think that we have even scraped the barrel yet with the unusual ones and as long as Kiwi keeps digging into his library we will not go short !

The exercise has proved its worth in its education value alone.

My thoughts are to keep it going,what does everone else think ? :groupwave

 

[duncan]

The only thing I was questioning was the title "quiz", and agree that it the odd-ball and interesting aircraft that seem to keep up the numbers of views. We could keep showing endless pics, I`ve found some real oddities that will amuse and confound. By the way I`ve received my copy of the "Crusader" book. Brilliant and worth every penny and the wait. There is a Santa Claus after all. Lots of pics for a Twin-boom theme in the quiz. I do Like Kiwi`s flying-boats theme..... Back to answers. I think #32 might be from the Hansa Brandenburg stable and #33 I`d say was a Beriev MBR-2 but dont know exact Mk.

 

[wonwinglo]

How about aircraft oddity extravaganza or something along those lines ? Glad that Santa delivered the Crusader book,who would have thought a specialist publication for a machine that never got past the prototype stage,just goes to show the interest out there ? She is certainly a little gem and I hope that someone makes a flying replica to take to Oshkosh one day,that would be really something and perfectly possible with modern technology.

 

[wonwinglo]

A couple of stabs before I look at the new batch again #35 Fairey IIIF ? #36 Nardi FN.33 Amphibian,there are some rare amphibs in this little lot !

 

[wonwinglo]

#37 is the Arado.231,believe it or not this is one all tucked up and folded away,a masterpiece in aviation engineering in itself.

 

[Kiwi]

Interesting shot of the Arado! To help you out one of the others was also designed for submarine useage. Read an article somewhere on the net about submarine aircraft ideas. One seriously considered was the A4 Skyhawk with the zero launch RATO arrangement.

#35 is really a Fairey Queen, the R/C version of a IIIF

#36 actually a SIAI Marchietti FN 333 Riviera. (check the rego)

 

[duncan]

Hey , slow down with the answers, I`d spotted the Siai reg but was looking for model. The curly-blade propped Soviet #39 is a Chetverikov TAF. The increased dihederal on the IIIF was a clue. was it rudder only? #40 slab-sider can only be a Rohrbach .Ro VII "Robbe"? The Crusader author has dreams of a replica and his friend is building a Peashooter replica so ...maybe happen.....looks like this lad`s dreams came true,see thumb.

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[wonwinglo]

Hey ' date=' slow down with the answers, I`d spotted the Siai reg but was looking for model. The curly-blade propped Soviet #39 is a Chetverikov TAF. The increased dihederal on the IIIF was a clue. was it rudder only? #40 slab-sider can only be a Rohrbach .Ro VII "Robbe"? The Crusader author has dreams of a replica and his friend is building a Peashooter replica so ...maybe happen.....looks like this lad`s dreams came true,see thumb.[/quote']***Duncan we never had pedal power Harvard's on floats like this when we were kids ! I reckon that you could go into business with these.

I had never heard of an R/C Fairey IIF until now ?,I think you are right about being rudder only,she would have been perfectly stable with that amount of dihedral.

There was a replica Boeing P-26 built around a Taylor Monoplane in the UK but it stalled on take off at Popham killing the builder,I saw it at Sherburn-In-Elmet being built.

See how these qiizzes creat interest and we learn from each other on things aeronautical.Pity that we could not discuss them around a :beer2:

 

[duncan]

Actually a chap in France (I think, note roundel) does make and sell these kids pedal-planes. I`ve lost the web-site for him but had stored his only seaplane. He does a Fokker tripe and a couple of fighters Spit, Mustang etc. Roca`s friend`s Peashooter is being built from factory blueprints to original specs, with minor modern mods I presume. Hope it will turn up at Oshkosh to delight the aviation world. A PINT you say, we need a brewery ! :drunk: I just cant believe the aircraft that I`ve found during searches. The kind of things that if somebody sketched them, you`d say "Naw, impossible, never was, daft idea, fantasy" etc, but there they are ...photographed in flight ! Look out for the one they nick-named "the Flying Forest" due the amount of struttery!

 

[wonwinglo]

Could not agree more Duncan,the worlds unweildyist ( is that a word ?! ) aircraft are continually been shown here and the proof that they flew,great days of experimentation that yielded results,some of these machines are just huge,just imagine the woodworkers employed on the mighty Hughes Spruce Goose,the book says that Hughes was fed up with the plywood manufacturers supplying sub standard timber,and chucked it into a big heap for sending away for manufacturing smaller fry,how large were these ply sheets anyway ? the sheer logistics of manufacturing a large flying boat with gallons of seaplane varnish to apply,and how did they work out the centre of gravity of these large beasts ? we take all of this for granted,it must have been an enormous task.

#42 is the Breguet 731 Bellatrix,a development of the pre-war Breguet 730,first flown in 1944,four 1,480 h.p Gnome-Rhone 14R's,not sure if it got past the prototype stage but this one was used by the French Aeronavale.

 

[duncan]

Ah , good you spotted the anchor on the fin stripes. I was hoping you`d think Bella was an Italian clue on #42 the Breguet. Hughes must have had balsa too..mmmm.

 

[Kiwi]

Still lots awaiting some inspired guesses! I'm still plugging away with searches down here. Do we need some way of showing that they have been done on the picture thread? Not necessarily putting the name up but a box for the originator to mark (or something similar) Could save spending time chasing ones that have been identified, especially as the number of pages increase. Just a thought.

 

[duncan]

Yes I like that idea. Red spot or something that means it has been identified but still guessable by noobies. Maybe even a credit for first person to get the correct answer.

 

[wonwinglo]

Yes I like that idea. Red spot or something that means it has been identified but still guessable by noobies. Maybe even a credit for first person to get the correct answer.

***Take a look at #1 scroll down and see if this will do ?

 

[Kiwi]

Not quite what I had in mind. I envisaged something in the line of a statement perhaps saying e.g. Identified Y/N or maybe identified : post # xyz

with the originator (being the only person who can edit the post) putting in the number or entering Yes. That would still keep the mystery for any noobie who wanted to join in.

 

[duncan]

Yes,I agree with Kiwi. It is too tempting to scroll down and get the answer. Just a symbol to indicate that somebody has "got it" still lets others chase-up the answer if they want.

 

[wonwinglo]

Yes' date='I agree with Kiwi. It is too tempting to scroll down and get the answer. Just a symbol to indicate that somebody has "got it" still lets others chase-up the answer if they want.[/quote']***OK then,a symbol it is,with a link to the answer,lets do it. :computer:

 

[wonwinglo]

#46 could be the Fairey FD.1 ?,what lets it out are the two booster rocket motor fairings on the rear,these were later removed.

If this is correct then we have a very interesting early spec photograph,the FD.1 was intended for the concept of vertical take off,rocket boosted,target defence interceptor circa 1951.

 

[Kiwi]

Spot on with the FD1!

Picture is from a RAF Flying Review